Creation Astronomy Propaganda Debunked 07
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i no u luv dem retro titlez. ******************************************************************************************************** The Barrow-Tippler Fallacy (also False Lottery) is the assessment of probability (after the fact of a determined outcome) for which the sample size is one. It is named for John Barrow and Frank Tipler, co-authors of The Anthropic Cosmological Principle, in which they argue that the precise conditions of the Universe (characterised by apparently fundamental parameters such as physical constants) are highly improbable and indicative of the Weak Anthropic Principle (WAP). A false lottery is the opposite of a true lottery, where the number of outcomes is known. For example, the probability of rolling a double-six on a pair of dice can be meaningfully assessed, because all six sides of both dice present real, possible outcomes. By contrast, there is no evidence that an electron or proton with a different mass is a real, possible outcome during the earliest moments of the Universe. Furthermore, there is no evidence one way or the other that these supposedly “finely tuned” values were determined at any given time, or whether they are derived from an as yet unfathomable structure. Use of this fallacy to construct Fine Tuning Arguments is popular among apologists for special creation. ******************************************************************************************************** Arrest the Pope.
25 Comments
July 14th, 2010 at 5:13 am
I thought that at the point of the big bank chaos reigned and only after a while did the expansion settle down and become stable (all the bad ‘laws’ didn’t survive).
That said I believe the universe as we know it will eventually fall apart because there are no god given laws governing the universe and holding it together.
July 14th, 2010 at 5:44 am
ROFL… Oh dear… TruthfulChristian has forever associated “Pinecones” to “brain meltingly stupid”.
July 14th, 2010 at 5:56 am
Well I say that the value of π was specifically fine tuned to an infinite number of decimal places in order to make Einstein’s Gravity work.
And what are the odds that every single circle everywhere in all of time and space have π as the ratio of the circumference to the diameter? You will never find a single exception!
July 14th, 2010 at 6:47 am
@logabob – per ca pita it seems there are a lot of Australians too.
July 14th, 2010 at 6:55 am
@BlackWaltz5 His name is Timothy and blessed be HIS quacking.
July 14th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Not to mention that *even if* this universe is the result of a 1×10^37 (or 1×10^40 depending upon which creationist you ask) random chance, that is in no way evidence for a supernatural being. It is like saying the Lottery winner who just won the $300 Million jackpot *must* have had (insert favorite deity’s name) help because there’s no possible way that specific person could have won by chance alone.
July 14th, 2010 at 7:41 am
The Great Secret = We Are Full Of Shit
July 14th, 2010 at 8:40 am
“our minds are reeling in incomprehensible [arbitrary] numbers [given by creationists]
July 14th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Every time I see Darth Benedict raise his arms, I expect to him to unleash Force Lightning…
July 14th, 2010 at 9:38 am
OH SHIT NOT THE RAPE SQUAD
July 14th, 2010 at 9:43 am
beer came out my nose at rape squad.
July 14th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Where do I sign up to join the rape squad?
July 14th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Occam’s Razor.
Debate solved.
July 14th, 2010 at 11:56 am
lol, rape squad!
July 14th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
@FiverBeyond “Yes! This obviously means that this entire lifeless cave was fine-tuned to support life on the single spot where that flower grows! I will now make a whole new field of science to study the growth of flowers by the design of God!”
Just kidding :3
July 14th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Spaceduck exists because you don’t have any evidence that he doesn’t. CHECKMATE, ATHEISTS!
July 14th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
w00t for the inclusion of a Pineco
July 14th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
BRAVO!
July 14th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
3556 likes and only 7 dislikes… incredible
July 14th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Great ending! “Even if it threatens the Church’s fabulous reputation”
Also great to see you debunk these claims that require some quite high-level thinking to debunk. It is impossible that any creationist will ever understand what you are saying though, because anyone who is bright enough to understand would never be a creationist in the first place. Another paradox in this whole misére.
July 14th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
it’s not an appeal to authority, but he cited the source, if he did not quote the source, you will have accused him of plagiarism.
Anyway you are the one who has committed a Fallacy, know which of them is?
You have not responded to his argument, on the grounds that his argument was inspired by another!
NICE!!
July 14th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
lmaao. today we spell awesome A-N-D-R-O-M-E-D-A-S-W-A-K-E
July 14th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
It’s quite telling that creationists are quite capable of spending one moment chatting on about the Goldilocks zone, the apparent ‘lack’ of water in the universe, the improbability of basic life-building molecules forming, and essentially how unlikely it is that life might come into existence on any given planet, and spend the next moment claiming that the universe is fine tuned for life. Make your mind up, guys!
July 14th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
10:46
Where are the purple rays of death coming out of his hands?
July 14th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
In addition to their obvious relevance, your videos are always well produced. Keep ‘em coming please.